Georgian police use violence on Armenian protestors
strange, they don't use violence on Georgian protestors even during revolution...
POLICE QUASH ARMENIAN PROTEST IN SOUTHERN GEORGIA. Georgian police resorted to violence on 5 October to break up a protest demonstration by some 300 people in the predominantly Armenian-populated town of Akhalkalaki, Caucasus Press reported. The demonstrators, some of whom converged on Akhalkalaki from outlying villages, were protesting the closure by Tax Police of 10 local stores, which local activists interpreted as retaliation for the formal demand by the regions Armenians last month for autonomous status (see "RFE/RL Newsline," 26 September 2005). Several demonstration participants have been hospitalized after being beaten by police. LF (RFE/RL)
posted by Raffi K. at 9:59 AM
64 Comments:
All this is very dangerous. I guess it's the Russians playing a dangerous game and unfortunately the Javahk Armenians are acting as pawns in this game.
Where have they been during the years when the Russian base stayed in Akhalkalak? And now when the Russians are leaving they suddenly "remembered" that they need autonomy. Of course I am not blaming them, the region is very poor and underdeveloped, and people are angry. But our government should be more careful. The last thing we need now are complications with Georgia.
Russians leaving, hmmmm... there goes the butter and here comes the guns.
If there is a Georgian policy to settle a any Meskhet-Turks in Javakh and if the economic conditions do not improve (ie: georgia doesn't use sizable portion of MCA funds for Javakh), then I feel Armenia and the diaspora must intervene and push for autonamy.
Russians have nothign to do with this!
Vote for Pedro.
Intervene and push for autonamy, in a Georgian province? Won't that start another regional ethnic war? Can we handle that? I think you guys seriously discount the pupet to master relationship of Putin's Russia with Armenia.
G.Garabedyan,
My reference to Pedro was related to the movie "Napoleon Dynamite".
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Should have done this before Arstakh.
no war.. diplomatic or economic pressure should do the job.. and don't fear the petty georgians.. they couldn't hold their own against 200,000 abkhazians.
Abkhazians, Azeris, Armenians, Georgian Muslims, Metskhetian Turks... Georgia might survive only if it becomes a federation.
The optimal way out would be the preservataion of Armenian ethnic dominance in Javahketi ( Javahk) with minimum involvment of Yerevan government. It should be done by the locals themself playing the game called 'democracy'. I would think Europeans would buy it especially we see that the Georgians themself are playing that game on its own.
Arsen
The local Armenians should fight for their civil rights within the Georgian state by pushing for fair representation in regional government. Say, rallying for direct election of the governor of the region the point which could not be argued by either US, EU , or other big guys who stand for Georgia. The point here is to use the legal way outs which are in accordance with Georgian constitution. Whenever the rights are violated a big stink should be made out of that with involvement of European structures. It might sound simplistic or silly but at this point it could be an effective tool. Can you imagine Javakheti becomes a center of democracy in Caucasus ?
Arsen
I say fierce revolt. Take up intense arms and utilize the frustrated Russian exit to get Moscow's covert support in agitating this new pro-Turkic Georgian police state. A land that produced the likes of Joseph Stalin will never facilitate a western style democracy.
let us imagin revolt took place. Armenian forces effectively occupied Javakh...Then what ??? It is an action of a mad man. It is a suicide of the Armeniam statehood. If the elite of the nation cannot calculate possible whereabouts two steps ahead then this nation is done.
Arsen
My friend, land and self-rule is never arranged without force. The ARF built a American based lobby around that principle. Plans for the uprising of Javakh are most likely being implemented in the Kremlin as we exchange these comments. It has all the labels of a classic ethnic civil uprising. Once the local war is over, the international community will debate the land-grab issue in the UN, Turkey will have a fit and that's about it. As long as Putin’s Russia mandates a strong political influence in the Southern Caucasus, noting will threaten the façade statehood of Armenia. Arsen do you really think Armenia is an independent nation? It is and always will be a provincial territory of the Russian Federation. Only the flags are different. This is a sad yet actual political fact that our beloved Raffi Hovanessian will not openly disclose with the ever-growing Diaspora.
Mr Garabetyan,
According to your logic it will be perfectly fine if Turkey, Georgia, and Azerbaijan would invade and divide Armenia among them. To me this outcome is more likely than the opposite. Russia might send some troops to die 'en masse' for Armenia ( which is very unlikely) but one day they might dessapear all the sadden. Did we forget our history ?...
Regards,
Arsen
Turkey, Georgia, and Azerbaijan to contest the Russian Federation and attach neighboring Armenia over Javakh? I don't think the current day leaders of those nations would risk doing that, even if there were an indirect support. Turkey is fixed on the EU, Alyev can't do anything for his own people yet alone get involved in a neighbors internal affairs. Georgia separatism has left Tbilisi wondering now what? Official Yerevan would not participate, but Diaspora factions in the region may take the gamble if Russia supplies the arms.
Arsen, a dirty little guerilla war funded by Russia and acted on ethnic jobless and hopeless regional ethnic Armenians, sounds a little far-fetched but you never know, history does have a tendency to repeat itself.
Garabedian, thanks for exposing again the dangerous essence of the dashnak party. I think people will now find it easier to understand why Armenia is now TWICE as smaller as it was under dashnak rule in 1920. You gave away HALF of eastern Armenia to the Turks and you are still teaching us lessons! And that's will NEVER get more than 10 percent of the vote in Armenia despite the fact that loca dashnaks are less narrow-minded their diaspora brethren. Thank God, you were not in power when the Karabakh war broke out.
Garabedian, would you risk your ass and join the "naitonal-liberation" war in Javakhk? I'm sure you wouldn't.
I sometimes think that Mr. Garabedian is making fun of us.
The sad thing is that he may be serious. There are a lot of people (who seem to be concentrated in ARF) who would like to do such reckless things.
There are very few historical moments when countries like Armenia can annex territories. The early 90-s was such time, and we got lucky to gain some territory instead of losing - well, we lost the Shahumian, some Martakert areas, and a little bit of Northern Armenia (such as Berd village).
The moment of territorial disputes is hopefully behind us, now it's time to keep what we have politically.
We lost Berd village? Maybe I'm missing out of somewhere but where is that exactly?
I feel pitty for H.Hovsepian for accusing and blaming ARF for any loss of Armenian land. It's sad that there are still those amongst us that are so brain washed that are unable to think clearly and objectively.
Mr. Hovsepian seems to be very bitter person.
The ARF/Tashnags have been there for the Armenian "race" during their final hours. We often tend to forget that. These groups have always set back the clock of doom from the relentless enemies of our people. God bless them all.
So many issues raised...
1) We did not lose Berd.
2) It is not the fault of any Armenians that half of Armenia was lost.
3) If the Armenians in Javakh as for some autonomy, why does Russia have to be behind it?
4) Please, keep all comments civil. Thank you!
Then why is it that Ataturk captured Kars and the surrounding region in 1920 WITHOUT A FIGHT? Why is it that no prominent Dashnak leader was killed in the 1915 genocide? Maybe because they for years were friends with the Young Turks. To my knowledge, the Ottoman Empire was the only place on earth where the party operated openly in 1908-1915. They even had MPs in the Ottoman parliament...
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Kars was taken away by a forced treaty signed between russia and turkey while armenia was powerless and barely surviving. ARF did have a deal with young turks in order to save Armenians, but as we learned from history, Turks are not to be trusted. I'm not really sure what you're implying by saying no arf leaders were killed in 1915. I think all fedayees that were killed were leaders and we know most fedayees were organized or led by ARF.
Again, this sort of animosity against an Armenian organization is common amongst the enemy of the Armenian people, whether it's coming from a Turk or an Armenian.
Open up your mind!
Raffi, Can you contact me, I tried to email you but it bounced back. it's important. Hrag, AGBU New York
I must be mistaken about the name of the village, it probably was not Berd.
Raffi, how was the village called - the one that was part of Noyemberian district and was an enclave in Azerbaijan? It was taken by the Azeris in 1991 and the 29 or so Armenian defenders (police officers) were killed?
My memory is getting bad. It was the Artzvashen village.
Yes cause Berd is not a village but a well known town in Tavush marz and not an enclave.
Nazarian, is it only your memory that is going bad? what kind of comment is this??? "The early 90-s was such time, we got lucky to gain some territory instead of losing - well" hope you're not insisting fighiting for survival and protection was a "reckless thing"??
try telling that to our fighters and hope they don't slap you silly!
I wonder if onnik is still reading this comment section? Just a wonder.
Pedro, I don't know if you have ever seen, let alone interacted with any of the fighters...
Anyway, you may have misunderstood my earlier post - I said that there are historic moments when it is possible to annex territories. 1993 was such a year for us. 1992 was such a year for Azerbaijanis (when they occupied Shahumian and Martakert regions).
Now it is not such a moment and Garabedian is very wrong to suggest otherwise.
sure, i have family, neighbors and friends who fought. If necessary next time around ill be there with them. Nevertheless, I think war is and should be the last option.
Using existing democratic, diplomatic and economic means in Javakh should be first option.
But the type of comments made by you Nazarian and Hovsepian are frankly, dangerous and defeatist in nature.
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Pedro,
I think Nazarian has made many factual errors in his tenure commenting on this blog. Some of the highlights. 1. Van Krikorian was the head of ANC, 2. The Diaspora should collaborate with the State Department if "they want to play ball" and be duped into Tarc, 3. He thinks TARC was good for Armenians even though it was proved that it was just a tool to dilute the Genocide issue, 4. Equating the Karabagh land annex to "luck". 5. Getting the name of the villiage "Berd" wrong, 6. Passive agressively dumping on a political party (ARF) when in earlier comments he said he "partisan politics isn't his thing".
I just keep waiting for the next idiotic thing he is going to say only for him to blame it on a "bad memory" situation.
It's actually getting entertaining now. You should read his stuff on other blogs!
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There we are :)
I was wondering where Raffi was. This Berd - Artzvashen mistake was too juicy for him to pass. As if he knows where Artzvashen is.
Let's see, Nazarian makes factual errors and then blames it on a "bad memory". He dumps on political parties even though he claims "partisan politics" isn't his thing. Then, he assumes that an above reader hasn't met a Karabagh soldier when that reader actually have family and friends that fough in the war.
I can go on and on. Eh, maybe I will. He suggests record labels should adopt the same cost structure as CD and DVD pirates, doesn't understand the concept of "Hai Lur". (As if any media outlet is non-partisan).
Your numerous cumulative factual errors create the impression that you are disorganized in thought. However, that, combined with your off key political and social views which often contradict themselves just confirm you are a jester.
We laugh often.
Nazarian,
Now that you have become a mild celebrity on these blogs- your full name, background, and credentials should be in order. Or, are you going to continue to hide behind the computer screen under the "Nazarian" moniker and continue to inadvertantly amuse us?
Doubt it.
Raffi, I see you got a little handy spreadsheet documenting my posts. Sounds like an obsession to me. It can't be that you get pissed off that easily, can it?
Fighting as a guerilla in a separatist war is easy; the hard part comes afterward: spending the rest of your life living in a trailer, hand-pumping your water, and hoping your kids don't step on a land mine.
It is a fact of economics that a nation has to be of a certain minimum size to be viable. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but China, the US, India, and Russia are a bit bigger on the map than Armenia; pooling resources has been the main reason for the unification of the European states. You would do well to remember that.
In such a world, any separatist movement will invariably have to align itself with one or another powerful interest, and that is what the ARF has done throughout most of its history: serve the big dog's pleasures. It's called the Pepezeling Corollary to the Facts of National Life.
ARF tough guys present themselves as "realists" with iron wills who are not afraid of war, but the fact of the matter is that they always end-up pepezeling, as an organization, for the bigger, infinitely more viable states. Haven't you learned anything from history that now you want to further fragment and weaken the Caucuses? Just whose interests do you really serve, anyway? Certainly not those of the people who actually have to live your war-zones.
As things stand, the best possible outcome of your militaristic pipe-dreams--and I mean the Best Possible--is a ramshackle, super-power funded military base with nominal independence that is perpetually at war with the surrounding population, a breeding ground for all kinds of pathological, extremist ideas, and a place where what you enjoy today as "normal life" is all but impossible.
Charentz was right in calling the Armenian nationalist "Tekhti Vardan."
Pedro, this comments area is probably gonna degenerate into a mudslinging between me and Raffi, unless Kojian locks it, but I'll try to address your concerns now.
A few of my friends were in the Karabagh war(fortunately, all but one made it through), and I agree with you, war should be the last resort - we should try to retain what we got at this point and do it politically. Starting an adventure in Georgia is very dangerous and is not in the interests of the Armenian statehood.
This of course doesn't mean that we should be indifferent to the human rights violations of the Armenian population in Javakhk simplye because they happen to be an ethnic minority in Georgia.
What is up with all the ARF bashing and accusations that anytime one stands up and struggles for their just cause, they are somehow “serving the big dog's pleasures”. Yes Masdak, if you’re unaware, struggling for any cause often requires building coalitions and political partners. The Jews, Palestinians, Irish and many other persecuted and non-persecuted people fighting for their cause do the same.
It’s sad that some of you posting on here have a chip on your shoulder against ARF, to the point that you’re blinded by your hatred and unable to think objectively. I’m not writing as a partisan party member, but someone who understands the intentions and the struggles of our most maximalist organization and one that is not shy for standing up for what is just, even if it takes building coalitions and political partners.
Now if you have a particular case where you disagree with the party’s strategy, please enlighten us. Otherwise don’t embarrass yourself with blanket denunciations of the only organization that has been there during our history’s worst times and has kept alive an Armenian Diaspora.
Pedro, you said all you needed to say long ago... "I feel pitty for H.Hovsepian for accusing and blaming ARF for any loss of Armenian land. It's sad that there are still those amongst us that are so brain washed that are unable to think clearly and objectively." All these comments bashing the ARF and accusing the ARF of undermining Armenia's best interests have been reading the wrong history books, and understand very little about the facts of it all. Anyone who would accuse the ARF of loss of land after the genocide is so blind and ignorant, there is no convincing them. The thought of ARFers not standing up to defend during the Genocide is laughable. I do pity them. And if/when it comes down to the point where taking arms is the only means of survival for people in Javakhk, ARF will be there to defend the rights of Armenians, critics will stand aside and try to blame the ARF for any reason they can find, and they will continue to criticize after the ARF succeeds in defending Armenians, and will eventually take credit for what the ARF accomplished while criticizing them for failing. This is the way it always happens, this is their nature, and therefore deserves no response. One of the reason ARF gets attacked so often is because it does not look for public approval on their actions, they act on their ideology and in the best interest of Armenia (most of the time... or at least in the most important times) and does not look for the "thank you" or recognition that so many other organizations build their identity on. Until one of these people watches the actual workings of the ARF in Armenia, and the principals of our grassroots efforts in Washington, they will continue to be blinded. Let them criticise all they want, because in the end, we will get the work done, and whoever wants to criticize or take credit is welcome to do so as long as it gets done. It doesn't matter to me or the next dashnag if our name gets carved on a plaque for our accomplishments.
I don't understand how a political organization does not understand that it will get criticized.
Arsineh, you seem like a cool person, but your comment here, which painted a very "us vs. them" picture (with us being ARF, and the them being everything non-ARF) is precisely what bothers me about tashnagtsootyoon most. You speak as if non-tashnags have not defended Armenia, and do not look out for Armenia's best interests, and only waltz in to take credit.
How many times does one need to hear "yeté tashnag ches, hay ches" before getting sick of it already?
Well, ARF has its place in the Armenian politics, no doubt about that. One needs a serious party with nationalist and socialist ideology for a balance on the Armenian political scene. It's the 'revolutionary' part that's a problem. It resembles the Unker Panjuni character too much.
Vrouyr, I didn't mean to come off as "us and them" meaning non-ARFers. NOT AT ALL. If there is a "them" in this case, it's the critics who LIE about ARF or any organization to spread their propoganda. ARF isn't perfect, but some of the above comments are blatant lies. Otherwise, I would hope people disagree with the ARF because that means there is freedom to think for one's self and variety in views, which is vital to any society.
Ask anyone who knows me, I work with ALL Armenians. My parents are not dashnagtsagan, most of my friends are not, and many of those people are more devoted to Armenia... and defend it... than some ARFers. And it shouldn't be an "us vs. them" thing, I completely agree. I suppose my comments may not have been clear. I just read a lot of rediculous accusations that have no merit. But I truly believe that Assembly members also do a great deal for the cause and support them. I also believe that AGBU accomplishes a great deal around the world, along with all organizations. I just don't appreciate when people lie to criticize. Disagree, but don't lie and attack. That's just counter productive and ugly.
As for me thinking ARFers are the most Armenian... NOT at all either. I just think ARF serves a purpose among many that I believe in, and there are so many other organizations that I support as well and do those jobs better than the ARF would. Everything has its place. The one thing that bothers me is that there is a competition at all of who is the most Armenian. The gang members out in LA are just as Armenian as the fedayees in Kharabagh are just as Armenian as I am. We all have our views and we all live them out our own ways. This is how I choose to live mine.
I would be very surprised if Arsinee and other dashnaks commenting here did not lambaste those who dislike their party. In fact, no dashnak is allowed to publicly criticize the party. Otherwise they will face expulsion. That's one of the party's key rules set more than 100 years ago when it was a clandestine revolutionary group. (It still very much is.) A lot of things have chaned over the past century, but dashnaktsutyun hasn't. And that's why (thank God) it will NEVER get more than 10% of the vote in Armenia.
First of all, please spell my name correctly. Second of all, did you not see me say that ARF isn't perfect? I do publicly criticize when necessary, and guess what... I'm still a member, and have NEVER been threatened with expulsion. I know many ARF members who are very vocal about their criticisms of the ARF, such as Asbed Kotchikian who gave a presentation at the AIPRG conference last year, and is still a member. There are a list of members who publicly criticise, but in a constructive way with hopes of reforming the organization, and they are key members of the ARF.
I see you know so much about our laws, you must be a member. Why don't you talk about things you know, rather than make judgements on false assumptions. The ARF has changed in every region based on the regions' needs. Again, it is NOT perfect and we do make mistakes like all organizations, and I am willing to admit it. However, I still feel proud of the right decisions we have made and believe ARF stands for its ideology which I support.
I welcome, appreciate and honestly listen to constructive criticism like Varouyr's and Nazarian's, but not lies and propoganda.
"The gang members out in LA are just as Armenian as the fedayees in Kharabagh" That statement is soo foul. My friend, the traditional LA Armenian Gang, (example AP) is one of the most treacherous criminal syndications to hit the Southern California streets. They are involved in many illegal activities to include, check-fraud, arson fire, credit card theft, drug and hand-gun distribution and prostitution. For years they have worked to tarnish the respectable name of local Armenians. Many of them are two short sticks of being unhinged psychopaths. I just can't understand why you would think an Armenian street gang member would be at all patriotic and concerned with national identity.
As for the ARF, they are now a defunct party that would probably get more attention and support from organizing a SOAD or Harout dinner dance in Glendale than to organize a grass roots lobby project. Do I hear Harout and Serj Tankian laughing all the way to the bank…I sure do!
Vartan - you think Serj Tankian is making money off of benefit concerts? Are you kidding??????
vartan, those AP gang members are the protection of immigrant armenians in rough parts of LA when and where police are not available, which most cases they're not. These gang members risk their lives and fight for Armenians, protect armenian businesses and armenian kids in schooles riddled with Mexican and other gangs. In fact have they have also cleaned up most parts of Hollywood from loitering prostitutes. At the same time yes, they are involved in corrupt business but then again so was Benon Sevan, a highly respected armenian working in the top echelons of United Nations (I don’t mean to say their crimes are on equal level, but nevertheless they both weren’t clean). Does that take away from their patriotism and armeniannes? The only thing in question here, I think is you’re patriotism for criticizing them in the manner you do. You remind me of those critics who found it fashionable to criticize our heros who gave their lives for bringing recognition for the Armenian genocide in 70’s and early 80’s by using armed tactics, the only means we had available to us at the time. Would you also question Monte Melkonian’s patriotism?
Your other comment on ARF deserves no response; it just shows your lack of brains.
Monte Melkonian was murdered by a very corrupt inner circle that happens to be running the Armenian Government. Besides he took up arms against the enemy on the battle field. The 70's and 80's Armenian terrorists you are referring to were nothing but misguided ARF party members. Thank god Hagop Hagopian was done with.
Every penny raised through the SOULS benefit concerts (which System initiated on their own) has been passed on to various organizations pushing efforts towards genocide recognition, via legislation efforts or education. Having been involved in the benefit concert and volunteered for many projects funded by that money (and not just assuming that some rock star would be so selfish to bank on the genocide issue), I can tell you first hand that not a single penny went to a salary or an individual or anything less than funding serious national efforts to push legislation on genocide recognition and educational materials. NOT A PENNY! If anything, extra ANCA money was put into those projects in order to expand on those efforts. Serj does NOT profit, ANCA does NOT profit, The Genocide Education Project does NOT profit, and Serj has done more for genocide recognition than anyone in our history on his own. I can't speak for Harout, I don't care for him as a person anyway. That answers that lie.
As for gang members, I did NOT defend them, justify them, or praise them. I said they were just as Armenian as you and I. You were the one who decided to define that as "patriotic." This is our backwards way of looking at things, we assume saying someone is more Armenian means more patriotic and therefore a better person. That has nothing to do with it, and this mentality is elitist in that you assume the "more Armenian" you are, the better you are. But actions do not define your racial identity. Family trees do. I believe someone can feel Armenian spirit in them even without the bloodline, but it doesn't change the fact that their blood is not Armenian... again, doesn't make them bad, good, better or worse. Roots are roots, you can't change them.
Armenians are a race like any other. We have the bad and the good, and that includes the gang members, the corrupt politicians, the prostitutes, the theives, the traitors. We also have the poets, the rock stars, the heros, the leaders, the scientists, the brilliant, the humanitarians. We are an incredible race, but our s**t stinks too (sorry Raffi), and to say that someone is "less Armenian" for being a bad person is an isolationist and elitist mentality, and borderline racist.
The rest of your comments aren't even worth dignifying with a response.
Vartan,
I am not sure where you are getting your information from on the death of Monte Melkonian? However according to Monte's brother Makar Melkonian, whose book "My Brothers Road" details the life of the fallen Armenian hero, an internal Armenian assasination was dismissed after interviewing scores of people. He details the process and way he perished on Pages 257-275 of the book.
If you know more inside information on Monte's death, you should contact Markar and his family in additional to media outlets. However, if you are pulling this information from your ass off of rumors and speculation, well you are what you are.
Vartan, I am not judging where you got the information, but, either you are BS'ing the public, or you have a real story on your hands people need to hear about.
How about a last name and background for starters. Oh, I forgot. All the BS'ers on this comments page don't have the Kntags to post their full names and be held accountable for their statement. They hide behind the keyboard at home and just fire off divisive comments hoping someone will pay attention to them.
It's Ok to disagree. But, have the guts to sign your name to it.
You’re so resourceful. I also read the book. I wasn’t that impressed. I would seriously discount what Markar has to write today, for the fact that he is struggling with his brother's loss and can't forgive himself from not acting quick enough, particularly during his final weeks when he was asking for help.
Monte was targeted as soon as he hit paraded the anti-corruption banner. Simple as that. There was no Azeri ambush.
The key to understanding Monte’s death and bringing justice to the criminals ordering the hit is not easily digestible to the over optimistic Armenian American diasporian. I suggest you sideline your political views on this one and focus on your record label. To think your Knar’s son, is just deplorable.
"Vartan",
It's really quite simple. Your full name and background to establish your credibility to the audience first. Then, names, dates, and specifics on your Monte Melkonian revelations. Until then, I refer to page Pg. 265 of his brothers book "My Brothers' Road". I don't know Markar or your take on an inside story. Nor, do I belong to a political party.
I, and others who have taken interest in Monte's story through this book would be interested in what you say no doubt. But, what is your credibility and resources?
Until then, your "Mr. Secret Agent I Know What's Good for Armenian American Diasporans" act is BS. Everyone knows everything is our community, don't we?
Lastly, invoking a "family member" on this blog without you "showing your face" via a full name is pathetic.
Vartan,
There were others with monte during his last moments and several injuries and deaths to Armenian fighters during that same encounter with the Azeris. You can speak to several of those who survived and were present at the time of the ambush or those who have interviewed survivors, there is no other story to Monte's death.
Moreover, the fact that you can not distinguish between Hogop hagopian with ARF, and you accuse all of our armed struggle fighters as "misguided ARF party members", shows how much you know about the history of Gurgen Yanikan (an old aged genocide survivor) who started the movement, followed by ASALA (monte was a member of) and then ARF.
BTW, the more you write the more you sound like an idiot, or a Turk trying to discredit Armenians.
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